Saaib Ahmed: shared a link.
Answering PYEM: Sould Christians debate or not. Saaib Ahmed crucifies Kazim Salini yet again.
apyem.blogspot.com

Kazim Salini Crucified,hehe
the full discussion and why saaib is uneducated to understand simple english
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=171521792931188%2F
 And dont bring that hadith argument again,i have proof from the dictionaries and translation that who is right and wine is allowed in 72 virgin package paradise..saaib i told you we are over andit is over,so dont aggravavte me again







Saaib Ahmed: lololololololol..... I em loving it....

And u have proof that ua translation is correct yet u dont produce that translation.... He he... ''google scholar''......

And why are u discussing a place where u have not been... I em talking about paradise... Btw tell me if ua God can have a 30 package of palestinian virgins why cant we muslims have 72... Our god seems generous and our pakage seems better.... Its same like the better the package the better is quality. And what are u ashamed of, you enjoy sex here we enjoy it there... What will u do in heaven, hellelooyas i guess.... And remember Jesus had one hanging between his legs, tell me what was it for.... If ''God'' can have it we can surely use it....

Kazim Salini SAAIB AGAIN YOU MISREPRESENTING ME,"GOOGLE SCHOLAR",I CHALLNEGED YOU LIVE,EVERYBODY CAN SEE WHO ISA GOOGLE SCHOLAR AND WHO USES WRITTEN ARTICLES AND WHO HAS HARD TIME WRITTING A WHOLE ARTICLE ON MOBILE.LOL
Btw tell me if ua God can have a 30 package of palestinian virgins why cant we muslims have 72... Our god seems generous and our pakage seems better...
ME:MY CHRIST DID NOT EVEN MARRIED UNLIKE YOUR PROPHET WHO MARRIED MANY AND TOOK MANY CAPTIVES AND THAT TOO IS RECORDED IN THE HADITH
SAAIB HANGING BETWEEN LEG,I CAN SHOW YOU THAT ALLAH HAS A LEG AND HANDS,WHAT ALLAH DO WITH THESE
REMMEBER ACCORDING TO SHAH HADIS "GOD CREATED ADM IN HIS OWN IMAGE"
 So THE PACKAGE IS STILL THERE FOR YOU TO SCREW 72 VIRGINS,AND FOR EXAMPLE IF SOMEONE ENJOYS SEX IN THIS FILTHY SINFUL EARTH ,IT IS STILL A SHAME BUT TO DO THESE IN HOLY PARADISE IS.... 


Saaib Ahmed: ''MY CHRIST DID NOT EVEN MARRIED UNLIKE YOUR PROPHET WHO MARRIED MANY AND TOOK MANY CAPTIVES AND THAT TOO IS RECORDED IN THE HADITH''

me: Jeus kisses mary mcdalene on her mouth. And then when he finds that thing which is hanging between is of no use he doesnt maary. This proves he is impotant. It doest prove he is better. Btw ua father also married. And if Adam and eve hadn't done it Jesus would hv been missing mary mcdalene.

''SAAIB HANGING BETWEEN LEG,I CAN SHOW YOU THAT ALLAH HAS A LEG AND HANDS,WHAT ALLAH DO WITH THESE''

lol... Again cp's argument... I would love u to bring it here and then i wd love to humiliate u again by showing what the words mean and u will again run away like u did when u copied from wikiislam.

So what would u be doing in paradise,''hellelooya''.....

So u think sex is a bad thing... Well tell this to ua papa why did he have it... And use the same language which u used above or use the language from ezekiel 23. Ask ua solomon who is ua prophet.... ask ua abraham, moses and all... They all ''screwed'' (u used the term) their wives....

Look kazim i am tearing u again.....

Kazim Salini no i see why people call you nonsense and rightly so
you said:Jesus kisses mary mcdalene on her mouth.........
me:you are making this assertion to make it compatabile with muhammad sexual activities,the problem is that SHOW ME FROM THE BIBLE WHERE JESUS DID", LIKE I SHOWED FROM YOUR AUTHENTIC SOURCES (HADITH),THERE ARE MANY STORIES ON MANY SITES THAT MUHAMMAD WAS HOMOSEXUAL ,but i did not refered them to you because i want to QUOTE THE SOURCES WE BELIVE TO BE TRUE.
SO THE CHALLNGE IS STILL OUT FOR YOU.
YOU SAID:This proves he is impotant.
ME:WE BELIVE THAT JESUS HAD NO SEX DRIVE AND THATS IT.

YOU SAID: Btw ua father also married.
ME:SHOW ME WHERE,HEHE

ALL ABOVE WAS THE BEST EXAMPLE OF TU QUOQUE FALLACIES
YOU SAID:

And if Adam and eve hadn't done it Jesus would hv been missing mary mcdalene.
ME:AGAIN GIVE THE REFERENCE TO MARY MAGDALENE INCIDENCE FROM THE BIBLE

YOU SAID:
lol... Again cp's argument... I would love u to bring it here and then i wd love to humiliate u again by showing what the words mean and u will again run away like u did when u copied from wikiislam.

ME:YES SHOW ME I AM READYT O EXPOE YOU BY QUOTING IBN KATHIR (MOTHER OF TAFSIRS) AND HADITH THAT ALLAH HAS HANDS
AND WHAT ALLAH DO WITH THESE HANDS.

YOU SAID:So u think sex is a bad thing... Well tell this to ua papa why did he have it... And use the same language which u used above or use the language from ezekiel 23. Ask ua solomon who is ua prophet.... ask ua abraham, moses and all... They all ''screwed'' (u used the term) their wives....

ME:YES YOU ARE RIGHT ALL THESE PROPHETS DID SIN AND BIBLE CONDEMNS THEM AND WE DONT BELIVE THEM TO HAVE FLAWS ,SO DID MUHAMMAD,WHEN HE DID THAT BECAUSE HUMANS ARE DOPED IN SIN.TALKING ABOUT SEX I USED THE WORD SCREWED BECAUSE IT WILL NOT BE THE ORDIANRY WOMEN EVERYTIME FOR YOU IN PARADISE,TO MUCH OF YOUR SURPRISE YOU WILL DEFLORE THEM AGAIN AND AGAIN AND YET THEY WILL NEVER LOSE VIRGINITY,THATS WHY I USED THAT WORD"SCREWED"
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LovEd KidDo ANjle From http://www.inq7.net/lif/2004/jul/13/lif_22-1.htm:

"Interest in Mary Magdalene grew following the discovery of the Nag Hammadi Gnostic Gospels in 1945. The Gospel of Philip explicitly said Jesus kissed Mary Magdalene in the mouth, making the disciples jealous of her. Other gospels in the Nag Hammadi texts also spoke of the intimate relationship between her and Jesus, even referring to her as his "beloved."

For the first time in hundreds of years there was a new source of information about Mary Magdalene. She appears very frequently as one of the prominent disciples of Jesus. In certain texts where Jesus is in discussion with his disciples, Mary Magdalene asks many informed questions. Whereas the other disciples at times seem confused, she is the one who understands.

One of the documents discovered at Nag Hammadi is the Gospel of Philip, in which Mary Magdalene is a key figure. It has been the cause of one of the most controversial claims ever made about her.

During their long burial in the desert, some of the books were attacked by ants. In this Gospel, the ants made a hole in a very crucial place.
The text says:

And the companion of the [...] Mary Magdalene. [...] loved her more than all the disciples, and used to kiss her often on her [...]. The rest of the disciples [...]. They said to him "Why do you love her more than all of us?" The Savior answered and said to them, "Why do I not love you like her? When a blind man and one who sees are both together in darkness, they are no different from one another. When the light comes, then he who sees will see the light, and he who is blind will remain in darkness."

The 'lacuna', or gap, which hides where Jesus kissed Mary has tantalised scholars for decades."(bbc)

Saaib Ahmed: muhammad's homosexuality.... Ahem ahem... Bring proof... (i will crucify u again coz i know what will u be bringing).....

Jesus didnt have sex drive, what for was the glans penis which he was having.....

now ua father married, i only guessed that because i thought u were legitimate. But u brought an opposite case... So may be he didnt and u are illegitimate....

bring me whatever u can from Ibn Kathir's tafsir... I would love to humiliate u.... And remember ibn kathir's tafsir is not infallible... He he... 

Now when your prophets are sinning what can we expext from u people. Prophets sinning, and these are the people closest to God.... He he... Prophets sinned and they must go to hell for that.... Now if ua prophets are going to hell think what will be your fate... Lol... 


Crucified again. 
 
 
Kazim Salini SO SAAIBDONT ACCUSSE ME OF SPAMMING WHEN YOU URSELF DO. 
aGAIN SAAIB YOU FAILED ,SHOW ME FROM THE BIBLE "SPTUAGUANT" 
AND MESRETIC TEXT NOT THESE APOCLYPTIC AND FABLES WRITTEN BY OTHER PEOPLE AND NOT IN CANONS,I TELL YOU THERE IS A GOSPEL OF THOMAS WHICH HAS DIFFERENT STORY FROM ISLAM AND BIBLE. 
SO THE CHALLNGE IS STILL THERE,SHOW ME FROM THE BIBLE WHERE JESUS MARRIED JUST LIKE I DID 
AND TALKING ABOUT MUAHMMAD HOMOSEXUAL,ALL I SAID THAT PEOPLE ARE CLAIMING BUT I ONLY WANT TO QUOTE FROM HADIS,I DONT COPY THESITES WITHOUT PROOF FROM THE SOURRCES,WHERE I SAID I BELIVE THAT MUHAMMAD DID HOMOSEXUALITY TOO 
 

YOU SAID:now ua father married, i only guessed that because i thought u were legitimate 
ME:I GOT IT WRONG THINKING YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT GOD THE FATHER 

Saab Ahmed: i copied from bible only... The problem is u dont know what bible means... Bible doesnt mean kjv or niv bible means a book or a group of books.... 

About muhammad's homosexuality you have been crucified.... 
 
Kazim Salini LOVED ARE YOU UNEDUCATED TO UNDERSTANDSIMPLE ENGLISH 
ALL I SAID IN MY ABOVE COMMENT IS THAT PROVE ME FROM THE BIBLE. 
THATS WHAT I SAID: 
LIKE I SHOWED FROM YOUR AUTHENTIC SOURCES (HADITH),THERE ARE MANY STORIES ON MANY SITES THAT MUHAMMAD WAS HOMOSEXUAL ,but i did not refered them to you because i want to QUOTE THE SOURCES WE BELIVE TO BE TRUE. 
AND TRHECHALLNGE IS STILL THERE FOR YOU,THE GOSPEL OF PHILIPS AND THOMAS ARE NOTCANONICAL,SHOW ME FROM THEBIBLEANDIN YOUR LIFE TIME YOU CANNOT 
 
Saab Ahmed: i have copied from bible.... Bible doesnt mean kjv and niv... There are many more.... 
 
Kazim Salini BUT THE CANONIAL BIBLE WE BELIVE SHOE ME THAT,NOT OTHERS, I NEVER QUOTED OTHER STORIES FROM DIFFERNT SITES THAT MUHAMMAD WAS A GAY,I QUOTED FROMWHAT YOU BELIVE ,THE SHAHIH HADIS. 
AND THATS WHAT YOU BELIVE AND I NEVER EVEN QUOTED THE WEAKHADIS SUNAN ABU DAWUD AND OTHERS SO BE CONSISTENT BECAUSE YOUR ARGUMENTS ARE A FALLACY 
SHOW ME FROM THE BIBLE WE BELIEVE THE SEPTUGINT,THE CANONICAL BOOKS AND NOT APOCRYPHAS,I LOOKS LIKE YOU ARE UNEDCUTAED TO DESCRIMINTYTE BETWEEN THEM 
LIKE I NEVER QUOTED THESE WEAK STORIES WHICH ARE UNCERTAIN, BECAUSE I ONLY QUOTE THE SOURCES WHICH I BELIVE (THE BIBLE) AND WHAT YOU BELIVE QURAN AND HADIS 
HERE IS A LINK I NEVER REFERED 
http://www.mukto-mona.com/Articles/asghar/muhammad_islam13.htm/ 
THE ABOVE SAYS MUHAMMAD WAS A GAY AND HOMOSEXUAL,I NEVER REFERED THIS BECAUSE THESE ARE JUST FABLES ANDYOU DONT BELIVE IN THEM 

SO ITS LIKE BETAING THE DRUM AGIAN AND AGAIN,DONT TELL ME THE DA VICI CODE FICTION TELL ME FROM THE BIBLE I BELIVE 


THE CHALLNGE IS STILL THERE 


 Now when your prophets are sinning what can we expext from u people. 
ME:NO ITS NOT OUR CONCEPT TO ACT LIKE PROPHETS(SUNNAH) ,BEACUSE IF SOMEONE ACTS LIKE THEM YOU SHOULD MARRY ALITLLE GIRL WAY YOUNGER THAN YOU,THIS IS NOT THE STANDARD FOLLOWING,SO WE KNOW WHAT IS GOOD AND WE EXPECT THEHIGHEST MORALITY POSSIBLE,YES WE DONT BELIVE IN PROPHETS ITS TRUE 


PROOF THAT THE GOSPEL OF PHILIP WAS NOT THE INSPIRED WRITING OF THE FOLOWERS OF CHRIST AND IS JUST AND APOCRYPHA WRITTEN BY OTHER PEOPLE 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Philip/ 


http://www.reuniting.info/wisdom/jesus_mary_magdalen_sex_gospel_of_philip/ 


AND JUST TO EDUCATE YOU FURTHER BECAUSE YOU SPEW NON-SENSE. 
KIDS HAVE GENITALS TOO(BELOW 7) DO THEY INVLOVE IN SEXUAL INTERCOURSE,NO THEY DONT,LIKE WISE HAVING A GENITAL DOES NOT PROVE MUCH,WE BELIEVE JESUS HAS NO SEX DESIRE. 


SHAH SAAIB CRUCIFIED 
(NOW HE WILL MAKE A JOKE AND SAY THE TRANSLATION OF HADIS IS NOT RIGHT,WHICHMEANS MUSLIM SCHOLARS HAS EVER BEEN DISHONEST) 

SAHAIH AL BUKHARI VOLUME 9 BOOK 93 NUMBER 532 

ALLAH HAS A "SHIN" 

Saab Ahmed: point numba one... Again there is not one single canon. Canons are themselves ''n'' in number.... 

Point number 2.... We give you reasons why we accept a hadith and why dont we accept the others... 

Point number 3... Leave aside copying sahih hadiths you didnt even copy a hadith in this discussion. So you dont have any legs to stand upon.... 
Point numba 4.... Here is Kazim Salini saying he is better than his prophets in riteousness.. 
If anyone asked solomon should i do what you are doing, what would have been his reply. Yes or no. Prophet Muhammad saw ordered every one to copy him... And what about solomon how will he justify his actions to the one who lived in his time... And when ua prophets will be burning in hell think about your fate. 
Point number five: gospel of mathew's authorship is doubted and so is the authorship 90 % of other biblical books. Use the same website and search for gospel of mathew or gospel of luke or whatever. You did a big mistake by copying wikipedia.... Read its articles on the books which u have and u will see all are written by toms dicks and harry's.... 
Point number ''n''.... You have beem crucified again 


 sahih bukhari vol 9 book 93 hadith 532 has three hadiths... Which one are u refering to..... 

Little children have penis for having sex when they grow up.... And same applies to Jesus. 

Kazim u have been raped today.... Have ''i pill''.... 

Kazim Salini ALL YOUR POINTS ARE DEALT ABOVE BUT YOU KEEP ON BRINGING IN FRUSTATION,HEHE

you see saaib your prophet rightly said that you people are deaf because satan pisses in your ears 

Narrated 'Abdullah : A person was mentioned before the Prophet (p.b.u.h) and he was told that he had kept on sleeping till morning and had not got up for the prayer. The Prophet said, "Satan urinated in his ears." 
you said:point numba one... Again there is not one single canon. Canons are themselves ''n'' in number.... 

me:I challange you to show me where gospel of philips were canonical 
IT IS A GNOSTIC GOSPEL AND AN APOCRYPHA NOW YOU SAID IT IS CANONICAL,SHOW ME WHERE IT IS CANONICAL.CHALLNGE 

YOU SAID:Point number 2.... We give you reasons why we accept a hadith and why dont we accept the others... 
ME:YES AND THATS WHY I ALWAYS QUOTE THE HADIS WHICH ARE DEEMED TO BE THE MOST AUTHENTIC SHAIH AL BUKHARI AND MUSLIM 

YOU SAID:Leave aside copying sah...ih hadiths you didnt even copy a hadith in this discussion. So you dont have any legs to stand upon.... 

ME:MY PLEASURE SIR 
Sahih Muslim, Book 033, Number 6409: 

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: There was argument between Adam and Moses. Moses said to Adam: You are our father. You did us harm and caused us to get out of Paradise. Adam said to him: You are Moses. Allah selected you (for direct conversation with you) and wrote with His own Hand the Book (Torah) for you. Despite this you blame me for an act which Allah had ordained for me forty years before He created me. Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: This is how Adam came (sic) the better of Moses and Adam came the better of Moses (sic). 

YOU SAID:Point numba 4.... Here is Kazim Salini saying he is better than his prophets in riteousness. 
ME:NOT A TRUE, ALL PROPHETS DID GOOD DEEDS BUT THEY SELDOMLY DID BAD AS WELL.ALL HUMAN BEINGS ARE DOPED IN SIN JUST AS MUHAMMAD ONCE IN HIS LIFE COMMITED POLYTHEISM,THE INCIDENCE OF SATANIC VERSES. 

HERE COMES SAAIB REAL DESPERATION AND FRUSTATION AFTER FRAILURE TO FIND MATERIAL AGAINST JESUS FROM THE GOSPELS. 

YOU SAID:Point number five: gospel of mathew's authorship is doubted and so is the authorship 90 % of other biblical books. Use the same website and search for gospel of mathew or gospel of luke or whatever. 

ME:WHERE IT IS DOUBTED?????REDACTION CRITICISM AND DOCUMENTRRY HYPOTHESIS AND LOWER AND HIGHER CRITICISM,THESE ARE JUST THE STUDIES OF LIBERAL SCHOLARSHIP. 

SECOND EVEN QURANS AUTHORSHIP IS DOUBTED BY WESTERN ORIENTALISTS AND SO TOO THE HADITH WHICH IS FRQUENTLY DOUBTED,SO YOU MEAN THAT JUST ON DOUBTS HADIS AND QURAN SHOW SOMETHING FISHY 
 

YOU SAID WIKIPEDIA WRITTERS ARE TOM,DICK AND HARRY,HEHE 
HERE IS ANOTHER ONE 
http://www.reuniting.info/wisdom/jesus_mary_magdalen_sex_gospel_of_philip/ 



AND SECOND HAVING GENITALS OF CHILDREN I JUST WANTED TO SHOW THAT JUST HAVING GENITALS DOESNOT MEAN ITS FOR DOING SOMETHING AND BIBLE MAKES EVERYTHING CLEARS THHAT JESUS HAD NO SEXUAL DESIRES 
BECAUSE HE WAS HOLY AND THE QURAN TOO SAYS THAT HE WAS THE HOLY SON AND SATAN NEITHER TOUCHED HIM NOR MARY.HOLY SON( 


AND SPIRIT OF ALLAH(ROOH ALLAH)[QURAN] TOO SOURCES OF THE MAJOR RELIGIONS DENY THAT 

 THE KIDS HAVE GENITALS AND YET THEY DO NOTHING,SO KEEP ASIDE THE DESIRE GROW,BUT NOT IN THE CASE OF CHRIST. 


YOU SAID:Kazim u have been raped today.... Have ''i pill''.... 
ME:YES ONLY YOU CAN RAPE EFFICENTLY NOT ME BEACUSE JESUS NEVER TEACHED ME,BUT YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW SUNNAH AND RAPE CAPTIVES JUST.LOL 
 

BESIDES I SHOULD NOT BE SAYING THIS BECAUSE EVEN UR FELLOWS AGREE WITH ME AND REMEMBER YOU WENT CRYING THAT DAY,SO WHO WAS CRYING AND WHO WAS RAPED???HEH 


ALLAH HAS A SHIN HERE IT IS 
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Kazim Salini Volume 9, Book 93, Number 532s: 

Narrated Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri: 

…Then the Almighty will come to them in a shape other than the one which they saw the first time, and He will say, 'I am your Lord,' and they will say, 'You are not our Lord.' And none will speak: to Him then but the Prophets, and then it will be said to them, 'Do you know any sign by which you can recognize Him?' They will say. 'The Shin,' and so Allah will then uncover His Shin whereupon every believer will prostrate before Him and there will remain those who used to prostrate before Him just for showing off and for gaining good reputation. These people will try to prostrate but their backs will be rigid like one piece of a wood (and they will not be able to prostrate). Then the bridge will be laid across Hell." We, the companions of the Prophet said, "O Allah's Apostle! What is the bridge?.../ 
 

http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=his+shin&translator=1&search=1&book&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=exact%2F 


SO THE QUESTION TO SAAIB,WHAT IS THIS SHIN AND HANDS FOR.PEACE 
Saab Ahmed: Point By Point Refutation to every single claim of urs..... Kazim this is really going to piss u in pants... 

1. U brought a hadith were prophet said a satan pisses in ears and all.. NOT RELATED TO TOPIC AT HAND. 

2. Where did i say gospel of philips is canonical. What i said is there are ''n'' number of canons. The thing is that canons differ. So how to decide what is god's word what isnt. Lol... We will keep a ''council of kazim salini'' next year. The criticism which applies on this gospel also applied on your four other gospels. Just because it doesnt go down your throat you havent kept it in ua canon. 

3. Quoting a sahih hadith for a nothing purpose... Lol... No legs to stand upon. 

4. Your prophets sining making ua religion crumble. You copied half of my statement and tried to reply while actually my comment is reply to urs... Lol.... He he... The position stands if prophets go to hell what will happen to us... 

5. Where is the authorship doubted? Lol lol lol.... Look who is talking.... Authorship of almost all the books of bible are doubted. And this is a huge topic and if u really want to discuss it i em here and this is my favourite topic... Yummy. 

Quran's authenticity: loloolol... He he .... I cant stop laughing at least when u use the phrase ''western orientalists''..... May be u are talking about puin and sana manuscripts. Lolooo..... To sum this huge topic i copy from my note,''why shoul i accept islam'' 

Quran proposes is the test of authenticity which no religious scripture except Quran has passed. The Quran talks about it in chapter 15 verse 9, ‘’Verily We: It is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Quran) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption).’’ Reverend Bosworth Smith had to recognize this great reality. He said: 

“… we have a book absolutely unique in its origin, in its preservation, and in the chaos of its contents, but on the substantial authenticity of which no one has ever been able to cast a serious doubt.” 

(Mohammed and Mohammedanism, Darf Publishers, London 1986 pp. 14-15) 

While for other scriptures we find something different, e.g The Christian scholar, Professor Bart Ehran in his book "Misquoting Jesus" claims that we do not even have a "copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy" of anything from the original writings of any of the writers of the Old or the New Testament. 

6. I didnt say wikipediia is written by toms dicks and harrys, i said ua books are written by toms, dicks and harry.... Seems ua english is much more weaker.... 
Here is what i had written, ''Read its (wikipedia's) articles on the books (of the bible) which u have and u will see all are written by toms dicks and harry's....'' 

7. I crucified u on that genital argument. Genitals in babies are not for sex so is the case with baby jesus. Genitals in babies are for sex when he grows up and same is for jesus. Genittals in adult are for sex and same is for jesus. 

And the point you made that Jesus had no sexual desires is an ultimate one. Biblical jesus would have been kicking himself if he was not a myth. This is a disease and proves Jesus was impotant. Hypoactive sexual desire disorder (HSDD), is considered as a sexual dysfunction and is characterized as a lack or absence of sexual fantasies and desire for sexual activity for some period (long or short) of time. I am a medical student and i will tell u details if u want. 

8. Yes quran does call isa (as) holy but it never calls jesus holy. It calls isa ibn mariyam (may allah be pleased with them) holy not Jesus the son of god holy. 

And one more thing let me clear ua concepts about Isa ibn mariam (pbut). He wasnt touched by satan and this doesnt prove his success but satan's failure. Muhammad saw didnt say any such thing for himself this doesnt prove isa's greateness but Muhammad's truthfulnes. And again u cant take isa (as) as jesus. Coz ua jesus had a month long encounter with satan. Deal with it munni.... Lolololol...... And again isa (as) of quran was born miraculously from a very noble descent. Unlike jesus of bible who was born because of a sexual assault (rape), and again the genealgy contains at lest 4 basturds (if i remember correctly) 

9. You brought that ''i love quran'' argument again.... Lolololol... This shows how desperate u are.... Peeping in my personal life.... Ha ha... But i have been begging u to tell me what was the reason that they labeled me anti islamic and u are answerless. And that ''weeping'' part.... Mmmmmuaaahhhh for it kazim.... Did u know who made that comment. An ex christian turned atheist.... Lol... He was defending me on that page... Lol... He is yet another who i have broght closer to islam and inshallah this friday he will declare his shahadah publicly. Lol... You should have read the complete comment which he made in which he mentioned what i said just now. Again one more thing which you missed was yet again a non muslim ''vishwajeet'' who supported me and discussed with them. Lololol.... And btw you should know my criticisers are very less than my supporters. He he.... 

10. Now this is the only point which you have made in past seven months which demands answering... Lol.... He he... But anyways it is just you lack of knowledge about Islamic theology. He he.... 

First thing you didn't read quran chapter 42 v11,''There is nothing whatsoever like unto Him". 

Look at the hadith which u copied under its perspective. What ever you think of is not God (Allah). Similarly the ''shin'' which u are talking about (the hhuman shin) is a bogus because the shin which the hadith is talking about is something incomprehensible. 

al-Tabari says, "A number of the exegetes of the Companions (Sahaba) and their students (tabi‘in) held that it [a day when shin shall be exposed] means that a dire matter (amrun shadid) shall be disclosed" (Jami‘ al-bayan, 29.38)—the shin’s association with direness being that it was customary for Arab warriors fighting in the desert to ready themselves to move fast and hard through the sand in the thick of the fight by lifting the hems of their garments above the shin. This was apparently lost upon later anthropomorphists, who said the verse proved ‘Allah has a shin,’ or, according to others, ‘two shins, since one would be unbecoming.’ Al-Tabari also relates from Muhammad ibn ‘Ubayd al-Muharibi, who relates from Ibn al-Mubarak, from Usama ibn Zayd, from ‘Ikrima, from Ibn ‘Abbas that shin in the above verse means "a day of war and direness (harbin wa shidda)" (ibid., 29.38). All of these narrators are those of the sahih or rigorously authenticated collections except Usama ibn Zayd, whose hadiths are hasan or ‘well authenticated.' 

2nd perspective. 
Allah swt is not like us as he says, ''there is nothing like him''. So if i say yes he has a shin i dont mean he has a shin like i and u have. He has hands, i leave it here. I dont say he has hands like i and u have. This finishes ua argument to its core..... 

See what scholars have described it: 

Abu Hanifa: 

God knows, but not as we know; He has power, but not as we have power; He sees, but not as we see; He hears, but not as we hear; and He speaks, but not as we speak. We speak by means of the speech organs and sounds, whereas God Most High speaks with neither organs nor sounds. Sounds are created, and the word of God Most High is uncreated. He is a thing, but unlike other things; by saying "thing," we intend merely to affirm His reality. He has neither body nor substance, neither accidental property nor limit, neither opposite nor like nor similitude. He has a hand, a face, and a self (nafs); the mention that God most High has made of these in the Qur'an has the sense that these are among His attributes, and no question can be raised concerning their modality (bila kayf). It cannot be said that His hand represents His power or His bestowal of bounty, because such an interpretation would require a negation of an attribute. This is the path taken by the Qadarites and the Mu'tazilites Rather, His hand is an attribute, of unknowable modality, in the same way that His anger and pleasure are two attributes of unknowable modality God Most High created things out of nothing, and He had knowledge of them in pre-eternity, before their creation. 

Salih al-Fawzaan: 

The meaning of (...Takyeef...) is to specify the exact nature and reality of the established meaning of the attribute. It is said: He gave something a shape or form (kayyafa) when he made for it a known quality. Committing takyeef with Allaah's attributes is to specify their precise nature, state or condition and their form or shape. This is impossible for mankind since the knowledge of this is amongst that knowledge which Allaah has kept to Himself. Therefore, there is no way of knowing the precise nature of His attributes because the attribute follows the Self (dhaat). Just as it is not possible for a person to know the exact nature of the Self of Allaah, it is likewise impossible to know the exact nature of His attributes. Their exact nature is not known. This is why when Imaam Maalik was asked about the verse: 

Ar-Rahmaan has ascended (istawaa) the Throne [Taahaa 20:5] 

How is the ascending (istawaa)? He replied: "The ascending is known, its reality is unknown, having eemaan in it is obligatory and asking about it is an innovation." 

And this is said with respect to all of Allaah's attributes. 

The meaning of (...Tamtheel...) is resemblance (tashbeeh) and it is committed when it is said that Allaah's attributes are like the attributes of the creation. For example, it might be said: The hand of Allaah is like our hands and His hearing is like our hearing. High is Allaah above such things. Allaah said:

There is nothing like Him and He is the All-Hearing, the All-Seeing [Shooraa 42:11] 

Therefore, it cannot be said that His attributes are like our attributes or that they resemble our attributes just like it cannot be said that the Self of Allaah is like our selves or that it resembles our selves. 

So here is an end of your bogus claims. And what we are doing right now is unplanned written debating..... Lol.... 

U have been crucified yet again.



Kazim Salini Here we go again,pissed in pants,no it only happens to you when i call you to live discussion where i will be debating point to point with you without room for you to write full garbage
you said:
1. U brought a hadith were prophet said a satan pisses in ears and all.. NOT RELATED TO TOPIC AT HAND.

me:No it was not out of the topic but i wanted you to open your eyes and ears because it was blocked and why it was blocked the hadith says that all.

you said:
2. Where did i say gospel ...of philips is canonical. What i said is there are ''n'' number of canons. The thing is that canons differ. So how to decide what is god's word what isnt. Lol... We will keep a ''council of kazim salini'' next year. The criticism which applies on this gospel also applied on your four other gospels. Just because it doesnt go down your throat you havent kept it in ua canon.

me:Here lets use saaibs criteria,here but before that it is important to understand that in Bible only canonical books are said to be inspired by God the others are not there.
These are the most consistant gospels and the written by the real eye witnesses.
1.To give a more complete picture of Christ
2. To enable us to objectively verify the truthfulness of their accounts.
3. To reward those who are diligent seekers.
The other gospels gnostic and apocryphas are not either consistent and canonical.For example the gospel of judas said that Jesus was crucified and jesus himself asked judas to betray and others such as barnabas which has been supposed to be written by a muslim and is filled with contradictory statements with islam and christianity.

The quran says that about the injil
Those who follow the Messenger (Mohammed), the Prophet who can neither read nor write, whom they will find described in the Torah and the Gospel (which are) with them (7:157 MP).

And unto thee (Muslims) have We revealed the Scripture (the Qur'an) with the truth, confirming whatever Scripture was before it, and a watcher over it. So judge between them by that which Allah hath revealed. (5:48, MP)
So do you want to tell that Allah was a liar.
Further uthman burned different Qurans which show different dialects and recitation,if they were not altered in texts ,why uthman burned them and why he rejected others and kept his copy of Quran,NOW THE QUESTION TO BE ASKED HOW UTHMAN KNEW THAT HIS VERSION OF THE QURAN WAS THE REAL ONE,HEHE

SO THE CHALLANGE IS THERE STILL, SHOW THE JESUS DOING SEX IN THE BIBLE(CANONICAL WE BELEIVE) JUST LIKE I SHOW YOU SAHIH HADIS WHICH YOU BELEIVE.In your life time you cannot,without philips which is a not a good source.
But having said so the above argument is based on the tu quoque fallacy
"for example if two persons stole something and one saying to other that you have committed a theft,the second one replying back and says ,what if i stole since you did it too"

You said:3. Quoting a sahih hadith for a nothing purpose... Lol... No legs to stand upon.

me:Thats because you said show me where Allah has hands,thats why i showed you,Allah has hands.Here it is again and the reason why Allah has hands is given here too,because Allah writes with his hands
Sahih Muslim, Book 033, Number 6409:

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: There was argument between Adam and Moses. Moses said to Adam: You are our father. You did us harm and caused us to get out of Paradise. Adam said to him: You are Moses. Allah selected you (for direct conversation with you) and wrote with His own Hand the Book (Torah) for you. Despite this you blame me for an act which Allah had ordained for me forty years before He created me. Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: This is how Adam came the better of Moses and Adam came the better of Moses

you said:4. Your prophets sining making ua religion crumble. You copied half of my statement and tried to reply while actually my comment is reply to urs... Lol.... He he... The position stands if prophets go to hell what will happen to us...

me:all the prophets before christ are subjected to the old covenant of God will judge them according to their doings,all the prophets repented eventually and the people who followed Gods commandment will be successful and the prophets after Christ will be judged according to their faith in christ and salvation.

you said:
Quran's authenticity: loloolol.

me:lol,if no one do not doubt why everyone is not a muslim,fearing true God will throw him in hell.But here are some people who doubt out of millions.
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/denis_giron/multiple.html
http://www.islam-watch.org/AbulKasem/WhoAuthoredQuran/who_authored_the_quran.htm

Al jazeera said that 6 million had already left islam for christianity and still nobody doubts its authenticity,hehe

6. I didnt say wikipediia is written by toms dicks and harrys, i said ua books are written by toms, dicks and harry.... Seems ua english is much more weaker...

me:Oh saaib already applied tu quoque fallacy and exposed as uneducated now turning to me.Your muhammad suggessted to put quran to pen and yet he was illiterate,so i dont know which tom dick and harry you are talking about.But i have reasons to tell why the books written were not by tom dick and harrys.If you want me to show i can show you that the early father writings reveal more accurate prophecies than the quran and are superior to quranic text in scientific allegory.The gospel writers were way way better than these fathers.

7. I crucified u on that genital argument. Genitals in babies are not for sex so is the case with baby jesus. Genitals in babies are for sex when he grows up and same is for jesus. Genitals in adult are for sex and same is for jesus.

me:So you recall the incidence that angel(supposed) washed prophets heart according to islamic sources.http://paki.topgoo.net/t763-the-miracle-of-washing-the-heart-of-mohammadpbuh
now this means that after angel washed prophets heart prophet became impotent and no sexual desire after that.

Later the muhammad confirmed that incidence that he actually lost his desire for sex and he said the following
"I was the weakest man in matters of sex until angel Gibrael gave me sheesh kabaab and i got the power of forty men"
Further since i showed you that Allah has hands for writing why not he has other parts according to ur criteria.
Allah has a shin and Allah can became and takes form of a fire (creation) and yet cannot become a human.
Volume 9, Book 93, Number 532s:

Narrated Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri:

…Then the Almighty will come to them in a shape other than the one which they saw the first time, and He will say, 'I am your Lord,' and they will say, 'You are not our Lord.' ...And none will speak: to Him then but the Prophets, and then it will be said to them, 'Do you know any sign by which you can recognize Him?' They will say. 'The Shin,' and so Allah will then uncover His Shin whereupon every believer will prostrate before Him and there will remain those who used to prostrate before Him just for showing off and for gaining good reputation. These people will try to prostrate but their backs will be rigid like one piece of a wood (and they will not be able to prostrate). Then the bridge will be laid across Hell." We, the companions of the Prophet said, "O Allah's Apostle! What is the bridge?.../
Now since Allah has a shin THE QUESTION IS WHAT IS THIS SHIN FOR FOR DOING LABOUR OR WHAT.
NOW IF THIS IS A WRONG TRANSLATION IT MEANS ALLAH NEEDS 21 CENTURY MUSLIMS TO VALIDATE THE TRUE FAITH AND OTHER MUSLIM TRANSLATORS ARE FILTHY AND DISHONEST.

YOU SAID:Yes quran does call isa (as) holy but it never calls jesus holy. It calls isa ibn mariyam (may allah be pleased with them) holy not Jesus the son of god holy.

ME:1 YOU ARE COMMITING A FALLACY,
FIRST TWO DIFFERENT ACCOUNTS SHOW TWO ENTITIES WHEN THE NARRATIONS ARE DIFFERENT IS NONSENSE.
IF I LIE ABOUT YOU AND SOMEONE SPEAKS TRUTH ABOUT YOU,WILL THE PEOPLE CALL THAT SALINI IS TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT SAAIB RABBANI.ITS ILLOGICAL AND IF QURAN SUPPORTS IT QURAN IS IRRATIONAL TOO,BUT THE QURAN DONT SAY THAT

TIME AND TIME QURAN SAYS THAT DONT SAY TRINITY AND IT OCCURS NO MORE THAN TWO TIMES IN THE QURAN(TRINITY),SO SAYING THAT QURAN ASK ABOUT DIFFERENT ISA AND NOT THE CHRISTIANITY JESUS ,THIS IMPLIES QURAN IS LYING,HEHE SAAIB IS BEING MADE A JOKER HERE.
FURTHER ACCORDING TO SAAIB QURAN AGAIN LIES WHEN IT COMMANDS MUSLIMS TO GO TO THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK,MEANS
1.THE INVITATION IS NOT FOR US FOR ISLAM BUT FOR SUPPOSEDLY REAL FOLLOWERS OF ISA.
Qur'an 3:64-71 Surah Ale-'Imran (The Family of 'Imran)
Say: "O people of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: that we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with Him; that we erect not from among ourselves Lords and patrons other than Allah."

SO NOW SAAIB THE GOD ALLAH IS STILL talking about the other christians not us,who erect other gods than allah and the people of the book at the same time.

you said that Jesus was not superior to muhammad but according to the hadis all the people were touched by satan accept only jesus and mary,all the others were touched but satan touched the placenta cover in case of the above mentioned.
I CHALLNGE YOU TO SHOW ME JUST ONCE WHERE JESUS DID SIN IN YOUR OWN ISLAMIC SOURCES AND I WILL SHOW THAT MUHAMMAD DID SIN FROM YOUR OWN SOURCES.
SECOND ABOUT MUHAMMAD TRUTHFULNESS ,WHO KNOW THAT THE HADIS WERE SAID BY MUHAMMAD ,THERE IS A HOT DEBATE GOING ON AND THERE ARE DOUBTS ,LET ME SAY THAT AGAIN, DOUBTS THAT hadith are corrupted and thats why there are shias and quran only muslims just like protestants which follow only canonical books not the other additional books.
http://muslimvilla.smfforfree.com/index.php?topic=2483.0%2F

You said:Unlike jesus of bible who was born because of a sexual assault (rape), and again the genealgy contains at lest 4 basturds (if i remember correctly)

me:show me where is rape here,it is a geneology and emphaisizes that Jesus was the progeny of david and abraham,son of man the human nature and the divine nature.
"and mary said to the angel,be it may to me as you have said"
This is not a forced activity.
and second Quran too says that
"aminah was the mother of all believers"compare just four with 1.5 billion muslims hehe
will it prove something fishy,lol
no it doesnot prove anything(i kept my promise not to abuse anybody's prophets and relation with dirty words)
Further Quran says that Mary was the sister of aaron will it show something else,Even Sheikh ahmad deedat says that the geneology was written in progeny sense.So if you apply the fromula here check and remember to use the same formula against the Quran.

But i now know why saaib uses abusive language while kazim donot,because saaib is following his prophet and his prophetic language.
muhanmmad said
"if anybody leaves islam and goes back to the previous islamic zone,the zone of ignorance,the zone of infidels
then let the private parts of his father be inserted in his mouth"
(MISHKAT SHARIIF VOLUME 2, PAGE 451,HADIS NO 4683)

that is muhammad style
No 2 implcations can be drawn from that
1.If abusing and dirty language is allowed in islam then saaib is following rightly
2.If it is condemned and still saaib uses it,that means he is going towards ignorance and according to muhammad the private parts of saaibs father should be inserted in saaibs mouth.(muhammds criteria)
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Kazim Salini THEN YOU SAID THAT there is a reason why they call you anti-islamic and dog,well i dont know the reason and dont have interest ,the declaration was enough for me to see how fellow muslims dump you.
and the weeping part,be it may ,i dont care the guy just said that saaib is weeping on the call and that was enough for me.

you said:So if i say yes he has a shin i dont mean he has a shin like i and u have.
me:The same goes here that since he was God (jesus) he cannot have sexual desires like us.ALthough in the above hadis i quoted atleast the purpose of hands are already cleared that allah writes with it.
peace
 

SINCE I ASKED YOU NOT TO USE VULGAR LANGUAGE BUT YOU DID AND I STILL MADE YOU A JOKE WITH OUT USING SUCH A LANGUAGE.I HAVE NEVER LOST MY PROMISE OF NEVER ABUSING ANYONE AND I SATTED THAT THISIS MY LAST DISCUSSION,THISPARTICULAR DISCUSSION WILLBE PRESENT ON MY NOTES.BYE BYE


Saaib Ahmed: I have already accepted your challenge for live debate. Fill 20,000 INR in my account and i will be there in a week to debate you. 

Coming to the point of discussion (unlike u begging and moving away from topic). 

1. I too feel that you aint able to hear and this has been the case with u for months now. May be satan left his prefuse in your ears. (topic not the part of discussion/your desperate attempt to divert me from topic) 

2. None of the books you have are eye witness accounts. Don't talk in air. Come back to earth. Mathew didn't write mathew and even your James Annaswamy addmitted it that it might have been some other james. Mark didnt write mark, luke didn't write luke and neither did john write john. And the authors were not eyewitnesses, at least to the key incident they weren't eye witnesses because Mathew tells us that when jesus was being taken by the jews (for crucifiction) all of the disciples deserted him. And all means all in every language. 
This is again a very big topic, i wont go into details. 

Another point you raised is about quran confirming the previous scriptures. Yes it confirms tawraat, zaboor and injeel, but not the bible. It talks about tawraat which was given to moses not the torah which some priest hilkiah reproduced hundreds of yrs later. And quran doesnt talk about gospel of mathew mark luke or john, it talks about gospel of Jesus. So stop begging quran, it helps only the truthful. 

And the last point you mentioned under this point was what did uthman burn. U raised many points with tha language which u used. Let me first prove that mushaf prepared under uthman was same as the mushafs prepared before. 

Zaid bin Thabit made comparison between the manuscript made under ‘Uthman and the the ones made under Abu Bakr –may Allah be pleased with them all- and said: 

“I compared the Mushaf with those manuscripts; they did not differ in anything.” (Mushkil al-Athar, Hadith 2645) 

And no one has ever said that Abu Bakr destroyed anything from or about the Qur’an. And with above narration under consideration, the only reasonable conclusion is that neither did ‘Uthman –may Allah be pleased with them both. 

Ali said, “Do not speak of ‘Uthman anything but good because by Allah, whatever he did concerning the Masahif he did in our presence. He asked us, ‘What do you say regarding these recitations for it has reached me that some say to the others, ‘our recitation is better than yours’ even though this takes one towards disbelief?’ We said to him, ‘what is your opinion?’ He said, ‘I see that we should make all people recognize one Mushaf then there will be no difference or discord.’ We said, ‘An excellent proposal.’” (Kitabul Masahif, Hadith 62. Classified as Sahih by Dr. Wa’iz) 

Narrated Anas: People differed about the Qur’an during the time of ‘Uthman to the extent that even teachers and children had differences. This reached ‘Uthman. He said, “You deny (valid recitations) in my presence and make mistakes in that. Those away from me must be more violent in denying and making mistakes. O companions of Muhammad! Come together and write for the people a manuscript to be followed.” (al-Ittiqan 1/69) 

So evidently ‘Uthman –may Allah be pleased with him- was only looking to preserve all the valid recitations and do away with mistakes being made in them. 

This claim of urs has been answered. 

(here again instead of sticking to the topic u intentionally brought quranic compilation into the discussion which proves you are running away from the topic at hand) 

3. Allah has hands. Argument already replied. Read before replying. 

4. ''the prophets before christ are subjected to the old covenant of God '' 

and old covenant of god allows rape incest and murder. Old covenant has special love for solomon. It allows him ''n'' number of wives and concubines and also allows him idol worship. And my question still remains unanswered that how could solomon have justified his actions to a person living in his time. And again if prophets will go to hell what will be your fate. 

''all the prophets repented eventually'' 
support your claims from your scripture. Dont talk in air. And again their repenting doesnt matter. What matters is acceptance by god. If god accepted the repentence the concept of ''original sin'' gets burried in earth. And again why did the repent, didn't they know that Jesus was going to pay for their sins in future (and also for that apple which adam ate). Again wasnt Jesus' sacrifice enough. And yes one more biblical god doesnt accept repentence he requires blood for it (just god, as they call him). 

''the prophets after Christ will be judged according to their faith in christ and salvation.'' 

again a bogus claim because jesus had ''not come to break the law and prophets but to fulfill''. 

5. The topic was authenticity of bible. You couldnt answer thats why you changed the topic to authenticity of quran. Thats why i am not obliged to reply. But i would still have replied but you produced nothing except two links and i em debating Kazim Salini, not any other tom dick and harry. This again proves your own knowledge is weak. 

And again plz stick to the topic which is authenticity of biblical books. 

6. What should I reply here. U haven't given any proof for anything. Again the argument was on ''who are the authors of biblical books''. You have failed to answer it and have started to make claims with no support. 

Please stick to topic and support ua claims with proofs. Or else i have some miracles in quran, e=mc square and schrodingers wave equation, heisenbergs uncertainty principle are all in the quran... Lol... This is what we call claiming in air... Lol... 

Prophecies... When christians dont have anything to produce what they produce is ''prophecy''. I wonder why your bible didnt prophecise about muhammad (acc to u), he governs life of 1/4 th of the people living on earth. Well thats out of topic. We werent discussing miracles and all. But still if prophecy is the test Mirza Ghulam of Qadian is better than u, he made many prophecies which have been fulfilled and that too in current world. 
Again if this is test then there are ''n'' number of unfulfilled prophecies in the bible. 

As a punishment for killing Abel, God says Cain will be "a fugitive and a vagabond." Yet in just a few verses (4:16-17) Cain will settle down, marry, have a son, and build a city. This is not the activity one would expect from a fugitive and a vagabond. 4:12 an unfulfilled prophecy. 

God promises Abram and his descendants all of the land of Canaan. But both history and the bible (Acts 7:5 and Heb.11:13) show that God's promise to Abram was not fulfilled. 13:15, 15:18, 17:8, 28:13-14 

unfulfilled prophecy 

In the fourth generation they [Abraham's descendants] shall come hither again." But, if we count Abraham, then their return occurred after seven generations: Abraham, Isaac (Gen.21:1-3), Jacob (Gen.25:19-26), Levi (Gen.35:22-23), Kohath (Ex.6:16), Amramn (Ex.6:18), and Moses (Ex.6:20). 15:16 

unfulfilled prophecy and there are hundreds of these 

7. Muhammad's desire for sex was less but that didnt end like that and thanks for producing the hadith. Muhammad saw's desire for sex was less unlike what u claimed for Jesus that Jesus had ''NO'' sexual desire. This is a disease and proves Jesus was impotant. Hypoactive sexual desire disorder (HSDD), is considered as a sexual dysfunction and is characterized as a lack or absence of sexual fantasies and desire for sexual activity for some period (long or short) of time. 

8. Thank god, at least you replied to a point. 

Again u didnt respond to what I said but you are still begging the quran for help. In my reply i have defended both the position one isa (as) is not jesus second isa (as) is jesus. I already addressed your argument on the hadith which says Jesus was not touched by satan. Let me paste that again. 

''He wasnt touched by satan and this doesnt prove his success but satan's failure. Muhammad saw didnt say any such thing for himself this doesnt prove isa's greateness but Muhammad's truthfulnes'' 

you challenge me to produce an incident where Jesus sinned. Lol... He he... I challenge you to prove Jesus was the mother of mary from your source or my source. Why should i oppose what i accept. Lol.... All prophets are sinless. And even Muhammad saw was. And again you have deviated from topic and this again shown how desperate you are. You brought sciences of hadith which aint topic and u broght comparison b/w jesus and muhammad which again aint the toipic.. 

you begged quran for help but The Bible says . . . 

Jesus was a sinner 

Jesus violated at least two of the Ten Commandments as well as several other requirements of the Old Testament Law. This means that he was a sinner, and could not possibly have fulfilled the requirement of being the perfectly innocent sacrificial lamb required by Paul's theology. Here are some examples of the sins of Jesus: 

"Honor your father and your mother." (Exodus 20:12) 
BUT: Jesus spoke very harshly to his mother in John 2:4 ("Woman, what do I have to do with you?") He effectively disowned her in public in Matthew 12:46-50, preferring his followers over her. And when the woman in Luke proclaims Mary's womb as "blessed" for having given birth to Jesus, he objects and responds, "On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it." (Luke 11:28) On all these counts, Jesus dishonored his mother, in violation of the fifth commandment, and thus committed a sin. 

"You shall not covet your neighbor's house . . . or his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor's." (Exodus 20:17) 
BUT: Jesus commanded his disciples, "Go into the village opposite you, and immediately you will find a donkey tied there and a colt with her; untie them and bring them to me." (Matthew 21:2) Matthew's account does not tell us that they asked anyone for permission to take the donkey and the colt, or if they did ask, what the response was. In any case, at least the tenth commandment was violated, because Jesus coveted another person's donkey. If he had them taken without permission, then he also violated the eighth commandment against stealing. Jesus's behavior in Luke's version is no better. In that gospel the animal is a colt, but the owner confronts the disciples, asking "Why are you untying the colt?" And the disciples respond, "The Lord has need of it." (Luke 19:33-34) And they take it anyway. No permission is given by the colt's owner. 

"If anyone sins in that he hears a public adjuration to testify and though he is a witness, whether he has seen or come to know the matter, yet does not speak, he shall bear his iniquity." (Leviticus 5:1) 
In other words, anyone summoned to testify in a public proceeding is obligated to tell what he knows. 
BUT: Jesus, before the Sanhedrin and before Pilate, refused to testify: "Then Pilate said to him, 'Do you not hear how many things they testify against you?' And he did not answer him with regard to even a single charge, so that the governor was quite amazed." (Matthew 27:13-14) Thus, Jesus committed another sin by refusing to testify. 

"You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might." (Deuteronomy 6:5) 
BUT: On the cross, Jesus cried out, "My God, my God, why have you deserted me?" (Mark 15:34) At that moment, Jesus was definitely not expressing love for God, but frustration and despair. Certainly his whole heart, and soul, and might were not devoted to the love of God at that moment. Thus Jesus violated the commandment expressed in Deuteronomy 6:5, showing again that he was a sinner. 

And if Jesus was not a sinner, why did he get baptized by John the Baptist? (Mark 1:9) John was preaching a "baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins." (Mark 1:4) The only reason to be baptized is to wash away sinfulness. 


Jesus' genealogy. Where did u get abraham and david's story from i was talking about Mary being raped (or may be she was willing) and then producing Jesus the illegitimate. 

The Jewish records of the Rabbis are of extreme importance in determining Gospel origins and the value of the church presentation of the virgin birth story of Jesus Christ. A common appellation for Jesus in the Talmud was Yeshu'a ben Panthera, an allusion to the widespread Jewish belief during the earliest centuries of the Christian era that Jesus was the result of an illegitimate union between his mother and a Roman soldier named Tiberius Julius Abdes Panthera. 

The Talmud writers mentioned Jesus' name twenty times and quite specifically documented that he was born an illegitimate son of a Roman soldier called Panthera, nicknamed the "Panther". Panthera's existence was confirmed by the discovery of a mysterious tombstone at Bingerbrück in Germany. The engraving etched in the headstone read: 

Tiberius Julius Abdes Panthera, an archer, native of Sidon, Phoenicia, who in 9AD was transferred to service in Rhineland (Germany). 

Adamantius Origen, an early Christian historian and church father (185-251), recorded the following verses about Mary from the research records of a highly regarded Second Century historian and author named Celsus (c. 178): 

Mary was turned out by her husband, a carpenter by profession, after she had been convicted of unfaithfulness. Cut off by her spouse, she gave birth to Jesus, a bastard; that Jesus, on account of his poverty was hired out to go to Egypt; that while there he acquired certain (magical) powers which Egyptians pride themselves on possessing. 

Deal with it buddy.... He he... 

And idk where from did u bring abraham, david and aminah into the discussion... Plz clarify so that i can respond. 

9. Needs no further discussion. You have lost the argument. He he... 

''i dont know the reason and dont have interest'' 

''i dont care the guy'' 

10. Again no rebuttal from your side just loosing the argument then corelating it with other. He he... But i would still answer. 


''So if i say yes he has a shin i dont mean he has a shin like i and u have.
me:The same goes here that since he was God (jesus)''

alhamdullillah you accept my explanation and this proves you lost the argument. Now you used this argument for supporting helping u out of failure in point 7. But it wont help and let me show you how.

''same goes here that since he was God (jesus) he cannot have sexual desires like us.''

so you agree he had sexual desires of different kind.. Thanks for that. And one more point, Jesus was fully man also (acc to u), this means he had sexual desires like us also. So here we are Jesus has double sexual desires, one the type which we have have and the other which is incomprehensible, which you say.

And again the bogus claim of ''hands'' and ''shin'' has already been replied. What ever is the perpose of hand the thing is ''hand'' is not of the kind what we think of. Read my comments on it again. I dont know why i waste time writting such long responces when you dont read them. Let me paste one of them again.

Abu Hanifa:

God knows, but not as we know; He has power, but not as we have power; He sees, but not as we see; He hears, but not as we hear; and He speaks, but not as we speak. We speak by means of the speech organs and sounds, whereas God Most High speaks with neither organs nor sounds. Sounds are created, and the word of God Most High is uncreated. He is a thing, but unlike other things; by saying "thing," we intend merely to affirm His reality. He has neither body nor substance, neither accidental property nor limit, neither opposite nor like nor similitude. He has a hand, a face, and a self (nafs); the mention that God most High has made of these in the Qur'an has the sense that these are among His attributes, and no question can be raised concerning their modality (bila kayf). It cannot be said that His hand represents His power or His bestowal of bounty, because such an interpretation would require a negation of an attribute. This is the path taken by the Qadarites and the Mu'tazilites Rather, His hand is an attribute, of unknowable modality, in the same way that His anger and pleasure are two attributes of unknowable modality God Most High created things out of nothing, and He had knowledge of them in pre-eternity, before their creation.

This sums it up....

You have been crucified again.








Kazim Salini left the debate. He hasn't replied yet and days have passed. He is yet to apologize for lying twice in previous debates.

KAZIM BE A GOOD CHRISTIAN AND APOLOGIZE FOR LYING TO US.
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2 Response to "The Great Debate. Saaib Ahmed (Muslim) vs Kazim Salini (christian). Kazim Crucified again."

  1. Henoch Roshan Ratnam Said,

    Hey Kazim, if you become muslim, you can **** 72 virgins without pen**. Because there you don't have body with flesh...

    Posted on 1 October 2011 at 01:38

     
  2. Anonymous Said,

    Nice! great work....!

    Posted on 1 December 2011 at 04:27

     

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