بِسْمِ اللَّهِ الرَّحْمَٰنِ الرَّحِيمِ

In the Name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.


The world is full of hate preachers and no matter how much you try not to encounter them, you will have to face them at any point of time. how much are we prepared for it does not depend on how we follow our religion but on how we know our religion. Ultimate success comes by following what you know is truth. There are many websites from where a common Non-Muslim takes notes and presents it to a Muslim. How can the Muslim answer him? For this he has to do some homework. But what if you are not in position to access the ocean of knowledge and you encounter such a hate preacher. As common sense dictates "COMMON SENSE" will help you. You don't need to be a mathematics scholar to tell your child that one plus one is equal to two. One thing we, as Muslims, should keep in mind that the Christian doctrines and principles (for that matter any other doctrine) are not wrong because of Islam. They are not wrong because Islam is right. They are wrong even if Muhammad (PBUH) was yet to arrive. In fact He arrived because the other doctrines were wrong. To prove that Newtonian mechanics fails at atomic level, a scientist doesn't prove that Quantum Mechanics doesn't fail there. In fact he will just prove that Newtonian mechanics can't be applied to atomic level. In fact when Newtonian Mechanics failed, Quantum Mechanics arrived. Same is the case here, to prove the doctrines wrong, use the same doctrines. Apply logic to what you have been told. Yes, homework is must, but when not done you can use a different tactic. I (Saaib) am just a beginner and thats why I sometimes follow the above tactic. In fact, I use it even if I know the answers. When you use reasoning (with logic and love) there is no chance that you will fail.

John Mcguire is a hate preacher available on facebook. He wanted to provoke me. Read the discussion below. Read it and find out how he evades every point I make, and see how he starts a new topic. An important point worth mentioning here is that I didn't use any "ROCKET" knowledge. The discussion started when he sent me a friend request and I replied with a message.


Between John Mcguire and You
Saaib Ahmed March 22 at 8:17pm
May peace be upon u......

I hv read ur name smwhere...... Dont remember.....
What for is the friend requesgt, when we cant be friends....

:)
John Mcguire March 22 at 8:17pm Report
is it necessary to agree on islam to be friends ?
Saaib Ahmed March 22 at 8:19pm
No it is not......
But toleration is must I guess......
:)
Isnt it......
I guess it is.....
John Mcguire March 22 at 8:20pm Report
then tolerate me, y ban me from yr page ?
Saaib Ahmed March 22 at 8:23pm
I think u know why u have been banned.... U were warned many a times before banning..... And u r the only one who is banned....
John Mcguire March 22 at 8:24pm Report
yes muslims hate criticism. that s y they wanna hang asiya bibi
Saaib Ahmed March 22 at 8:27pm
Muslims don't hate criiticism.... Just hand picking a few doesnt matter.... Dont u know the fate of Galileo under the hands if christians, just for ''criticism''.....
John Mcguire March 22 at 8:28pm Report
they dont do it anymore in christianity. but muslim countries.? whats the fate of asiya bibi ? all she said was that muhammad was a paedo
Saaib Ahmed March 22 at 8:34pm
When christians followed their religion as expressed by bible, they were the most backward community on the face of earth... They were arrogant, ignorant.... They didn't allow a breath of criticism... Copernicus, tolstoy, galileo, newton and many othere are examples of it....

When muslims followed their religion we flourished and were the strongest economy of the world.... Science flourished under us... We were the genesis of this age.....

When u left ua religious teachings, u flourished, when we did the same we got ruined....

The reason for our present condition is our own policies, we dont follow our religion as Muhammad s.a.w wanted us to and thats the reason u hate us.... And the hate is sometimes justified....
John Mcguire March 22 at 8:36pm Report
muhammad s policy was terrorism. he murdered umm kurfa, bint marwan, kinana, he beheaded 1000 jewish prisoners. he raped rehana and safiya after killing their husbands. it is better that all indian muslims convert
John Mcguire March 22 at 8:50pm Report
bin quasim killed 100,000 jat prisoners in a single day. he said muhammad forbade taking pows
Saaib Ahmed March 22 at 8:53pm
This is what faithfreedom.org has taught u.... If u wd have applied common sense u wdnt have beleived it, leave aside applying logic or using facts....

According to u Jesus preched love and did miracles.... And according to u Muhammad was a ***** and ******....... Yet his own people didn't accept jesus as their prophet while millions accepted muhammad at his time.... Had what u mentioned been true, how could people have followed him or accepted him as a prophet... How could have they left their parents, homes and lived a life full of pain if muhammad s.a.w was what u mentioned.... Dear brother, I know u are full of hate, i remember ur comments and the particular one ''rasool-e-saitan''..... My comments and justifications are never going to satisfy u... Read for yourself, unbiased from eminent scholars, thinkers, philosophers about the biography of muhammad..... Take christian sources if u wont believe muslim ones, but do it for ur knowledge.... If u want to help us muslims u should know what real islam is... Dont make up ur mentality from faithfreedom.org or other websites like that.... Believe me i never visit anti christian websites.... But i really visit anti islamic website.... And i swear by allah my faith gets stronger and stronger after reading material from such sources.... Leave this hate... It wont help u even if christianith is the truth....
:)
U dont need to accept what i said....
U can remain how u are... Neither are u going to pay for my sins nor am i....
"for u your religion, for me mine''
John Mcguire March 22 at 8:54pm Report
i studied at deobandh for 7 years , i was born sunni. i have mastered all sahi hadees. and hanibali law. i know all the lies of islam
John Mcguire March 22 at 8:56pm Report
today i convert 10 muslims every week to christianity in chennai
John Mcguire March 22 at 8:58pm Report
muhammad waged war for islam. christ didnt. thats y there were no christians during the time of christ. but muhammad killed for islam. he killed umm kurfa and bint marwan. he tortured and killed kinana. he beheaded a 1000 jewish prisoners who refused to accept him as a prophet
John Mcguire March 22 at 9:00pm Report
i dont hate u but i hate muhammad. i help muslims by making them leave this cursed religion of rasool e shaitan
Saaib Ahmed March 22 at 9:09pm
I can refute every single point of yours.... That ten muslims per day.... 10000 jews per day etc..... But as i have said hundreds of times i don't debate..... Again you lied about the history of islam that he waged wars..... Battles were started by pagans not by him..... It would turn out to be a debate if i start refuting you and you will again start your hate preaching.... Christ didn't wage a was because he wasn't in a position to do so, how could have he waged a war with twelve disciples.... He was not able to gain disciples even after performing miracles.... He went unto his own and his own rejected him.... While for muhammad s.a.w, how could he have waged was when he too started from zero... He wasn't even able to do a miracle in public before his prophethood.... To spread his faith with a sword he should at least get that sword.... A single man can't conquer lands just by a sword.... It was the sword of intellect which he used.... When he was forced to use the iron sword, he first hesitated but later accepted it.... Muhammad didn't know how to conquer lands but he knew how to conquer hearts, this i showed time and again....
John Mcguire March 22 at 9:11pm Report
he used the sword because he was a murderer. he drove away all the jews from arabia and killed the rest. and how can u refute the fact that i convert 10 muslims every day ?
Saaib Ahmed March 22 at 10:11pm
Since how many days have you been converting "10" muslims every day..... Ten muslims per day by a single person is a giant leap and the word about it will spread like fire..... When likes of Botros are not able to do it, how can a person like you, who doesn't know anything do it..... "He used sword because he was a murderer"..... Leave aside trying to refute my claims, you replied with a statement I already talked about.... To kill with a sword, you should first of all get that sword.... Even if i agree, for the sake of argument, that what you say is true, my faith is getting more and more stronger.... What jesus was not able to do even if being "god" muhammad was able to do just by a sword.... Miracle it is..... A man with a sword conquering lands, and making an empire to which no comparison can be draws.. Is there any person greater than him.... Single handedly with just a sword he created an everlasting civilisation, an everlasting community, an everlasting empire.... A miracle it is..... Hitler's empire crumbled in front of his eyes though he had such a large army and not just one "sword".... Napolean saw his empire crumbling and he two had more than one "sword".....
Civilisations have passed by but no one created such a revolution which this man named Muhammad created, that too just by a sword.... The sword, yes, the sword.... The sword indeed it is.... The sword of intellect.... The sword which conquered more than half of then known world... The sword which is still present in the world... The sword couldn't have been made of iron.... It must have been of some other kind.... A sword of intellect... It layed its roots in the head of a single person... He conquered with it the hearts of millions.... Sword indeed it was.... The sword of intellect.... The sword which on its swaying set on fire all the wrong beliefs, the burying of daughters, the worshiping of idols, what not..... The sword which gave him millions of followers.... The sword which has 1.5 billion followers.... The sword indeed it is..... The sword which no other personality, in such a kong history of human civilisation, has been able to use.... The sword..... I ask what sword, the sword indeed it is.....
John Mcguire March 22 at 10:13pm Report
islam is dead. pakistan will crumble in one year. all paki muslims will be forced to convert. i have an ex muslims society in chennai. we convert around 50 muslims every month
Saaib Ahmed March 22 at 10:31pm
"Fifty muslims by whole society ever month".... That means three persons per two days by whole of your society.... Isn't is contradicting with your earlier statement "10 per day, single handedly"..... Ten per day single handedly means 300 per month single handedly.... Your society is not doing a good job.... Only fifty per month.... "Crumbling Pakistan"-Does it really matter.... No it doesn't..... Pakistan is crumbling, so what..... I can sense how answerless you are, full of prejudice and full of pride.... It doesn't matter, even if whole of the world leaves islam.... It is christianity which needs followers not islam... The world know how christians are pouring missionaries like frogs in the rainy reason as compared to a negligible missionary work by muslims... In fact the term "missionary" nowadays in itself means "christian missionary"..... God doesn't need missionaries to spread his religion... He has made it and let him take care of it, and really he is talking care of it.... It took you 2000 years to cross 2 billion mark, while it took us just 1400 years to cross 1.5 billion.... What if pakistan crumbles within one year, it will crumple as a political identity.... The place where jesus lived was ruled by muslims for majority of time and now ruled by his "killers" according to you..... The place where muhammad breathed is in our hands.... I guess you have crumbled two thousand years ago when jews killed your "god", you crumbled when we started ruling you 1400 years ago, you crumbled when jews captured the land where your "lord, god" lived.... The difference is that your crumbling was religious one and our crumbling will be political one.... I would prefer political crumbling than a religious one....
John Mcguire March 23 at 6:01pm Report
we were born when christ was crucified.
Saaib Ahmed March 23 at 6:20pm
Where were you till then.... He he.... You were born when paul crept in christ's teachings....
John Mcguire March 23 at 7:23pm Report
what were yr forefathers before converting to islam ?
Saaib Ahmed March 23 at 7:27pm
I dont know..... But my lineage shows that our ancestors are iranian....:) and we are a foreign to this part of world, my caste is "shah"..... My whole of ancestory is muslim..:) and even if it is not, it has nothing to do with our discussion.:).. Does it.....
John Mcguire March 23 at 7:34pm Report
nothing whatsoever. just curious. btw, our conversion work goes thru the network of ppl whom v already converted. and the muslims who come to us r ppl who r already having reservations on islam. i am sure a person like u will never come. so please dont be so offended. i am merely stating a point of view. v wont come to yr house and point a gun at yr head and ask u to leave islam. another clarification. ppl who come to us convert to budhism, sikhism , christianity and rarely hinduism. during 2010, v converted around 500 all over south india. but the number has increased to 150 during jan to mar 2011. 2 of these converted to hinduism at a cost of rs 1 lakh each
Saaib Ahmed March 23 at 8:00pm
I don't care about it..... Coverts converts converts..... Does it matter.... No it doesn't..... You pay of billions and i say i am a christian, does it matter, no and absolutely not.... I have such a nice respect among christians in delhi.... They welcome me, rather invite me to homes.... They discuss things with me.... I have tried to spread hate and never try to find converts.... I removed a controversial article from my blog because some christian friends of mine wanted me to..... Website which you visit and try to harass muslims have nothing to do with religions.... I have already downloaded whole of answering islam website and copied almost whole of faith freedom.... At the same time i don't support answering christianity.... I study of my own.... Converts don't bother me.... If i note out in public for converting, i think i can do a good job....

In the above discussion I had mistyped "I have tried to spread hate" when I actually wanted to write that "I have never tried to spread hate".






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2 Response to "John Mcguire had a friendly discussion with Saaib"

  1. Zeenat Said,

    Really good points which all Muslims should learn in order to be able to answer the Christian hate mongers. Thank you for sharing this.

    Posted on 5 April 2011 at 04:08

     
  2. Syed farraz Said,

    SubhanAllah brother Saaib, MAY Allah SWT reward you for your efforts.. Aameen

    Posted on 8 September 2011 at 11:05

     

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