Our brother Yousaf Salini (though he calls me a bastard, I call him my brother), has come up with what he calls a reply, whether or not Salini realises this or not, at best he cut and pasted together a mosaic of nonsensical ramblings. We apologize on behalf of those who read his "response" for the lack of etiquette and academic scholarship you would expect from a theological discourse.


Similar to his brother in arms, Josh Mc. Dowell, Salini makes a number of grave errors in his "response" due to his lack of intellectualism and mostly because of his lack of ability to coherently present an argument.
  • His filthy language, a horrible lack of public decorum. Typical Christian behaviour.
  • It's a response not by the original author, but by a bystander.
  • He barely answered one, if any of the claims I made.
  • He confuses the Muslim Isa (alayhi as salaam) with Greco-Roman Pagan Jesus.
  • His response lacks consistency, jumping from one point erratically to the other.
    However, I respond, not because they think that they have a "rebuttal", but because I just couldn't believe they published that as a response. I'm still trying not to lose my composure by laughing anymore! For some reason, he appeals to the Qur'aan. I find this to be extremely disturbing, not because the Qur'aan is off limits to Christians but because the Qur'aan is a scripture unlike that of our scripture. What I'm trying to say is that if he barely understands his own scripture, how does he expect to understand our scripture based on 1432 years of tafsir based on the tafsir of the Salaf us Saliheen and those of the best of our Ummah? He's appealing to his own eisegesis, which is not only outright wrong, but lead him to make an absolute mess of an article!


    Let's now refute his claims that Isa (alayhi as salaam) and Jesus are the same:
    • Jesus is the begotten son of himself (the Father). Jesus begot himself (as the Father is Him, but not Him, but is Him, but not Him, but is Him). Isa (alayhi as salaam) was a word from God, a creation of Allah, not the creator, creating himself.
    • Jesus was the Father/ Word/ Holy Spirit incarnate. Isa (alayhi as salaam) was just himself.
    • Jesus died, begged for mercy, was tortured, called people dogs and killed himself. Isa (alayhi as salaam) asked Allah for mercy and guidance and did not commit suicide.
    • Jesus died for the world's sins (even though the world still sins). Isa (alayhi as salaam) saved the people by asking them to repent and turning them to worship the one true God, Mark 12:29.
    The "Jesus" of Christians is descended from a lineage of incest and adultery:


    Genesis 38:15-16
    15 When
    Judah saw her, he thought she was a prostitute, for she had covered her face.

    16 Not realizing that
    she was his daughter-in-law, he went over to her by the roadside and
    said, “Come now, let me sleep with you.” “And what will you
    give me to sleep with you?” she asked….
    Genesis 38:27-30
    27 When the time came for her to give birth, there were twin boys in her womb.
    28 As she was giving birth, one of them put out his hand; so the midwife took a scarlet thread and tied it on his wrist and said, “This one came out first.”
    29 But when he drew back his hand, his brother came out, and she said, “So this is how you have broken out!” And he was named Perez.
    30 Then his brother, who had the scarlet thread
    on his wrist, came out and he was given the name Zerah.
    Matthew 1:1-3

    1The Genealogy of Jesus 1A record of the genealogy of
    Jesus Christ the son of David, the son of Abraham:

    2Abraham was the father of Isaac, Isaac the father of Jacob,
    Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers,

    3Judah the father of PEREZ and ZERAH, whose
    mother was Tamar,
    Matthew 1:16
    16and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus,who is called Christ.
    If we accept him as the same, then the Christians must concede that he was not a God, we Muslims do not believe that God wants to kill himself. He has gone on to contradict himself numerous times in his reply, at one point showing that Muslims do not believe that Isa (alayhi as salaam) was under the influence of Satan whereas he then ironically portrayed Jesus as being provoked by Satan. I have no idea why he made those statements in support of Islam and against Christianity. He also tried to show that Muslims do not believe Isa (alayhi as salaam) was a bastard, indeed this is true, but he has yet to show from the Christian side, that he is not a bastard child. Perhaps our friends over at PYEM, need to lay off of the communion wine and respond to us when they're not intoxicated, because all they seem to do is prove our points and defeat themselves. It truly is a spectacle to see!


    Strangely, he was trying to show that perhaps the authors we referenced were speaking of another Jesus. If that is the case, why does he believe that when someone mentions Jesus in a historical setting that it has to be his Jesus, why not those other Jesus' as well? Or does he not see this simple flaw in his argument. I had even asked him what language Jesus spoke, unfortunately he believes that it is English, the New Testament disagrees:
    He took her by the hand and said to her, “Talitha koum!” (which means “Little girl, I say to you, get up!”).
    That was Mark 5:41 , the Aramaic clearly being spoken by Jesus. The letter "J" is not used by the Greco-Roman world ("I" being used) and neither by the Aramaic or Hebrew peoples, the letter "Y" being used. So why does he call his God, by a name that was not known him, his people or his followers?


    Another point he refuted (according to him), was the one regarding who provoked David,
    At one place Satan did it and at other place God did it.....


    He, in short, says that while satan did it but god intended it...
    Alright alright,
    Hitler killed some "TWO OR THREE PERSONS"...
    Hang god for it, because satan did it but god intended it...
    Adam and Eve did some sins for which Jesus had to die,
    Well well welll, who is to blame, Satan or God,
    According to Salani, God!!!!!
    Because, Satan did it, but God intended it....


    ALL EVILS IN THE WORLD SHOULD BE ATTRIBUTED TO THE GOD
    BECAUSE SATAN DOES IT BUT GOD INTENDS IT..


    He even quotes Qura'n to prove that satan and god are same....
    Shame on you!!!!!
    Whom are you bluffing, Me or Christians...
    He pointed two verses, one saying (according to him) that satan sends people astray, the other saying Allah sends people astray....
    The actual translation was (he didn't quote wrong, i appreciate that) " But He leaves straying whom He pleases and He guides whom He pleases ....", This is what Allah says, so what is wrong with it.....


    Yes, Allah leaves them astray who he wants to, yes he can do it....


    Even Satan does it......


    Had god said I will send all people astray, like satan does then it would have been a point worth mentioning....
    But the thing is Allah is referring to "And whoever opposes the Messenger after guidance has become clear to him and follows other than the way of the believers - We will give him what he has taken and drive him into Hell, and evil it is as a destination." these are the type of people, who he sends astray........


    What the Bible says is that GOD AND SATAN BOTH PROVOKED THE SAME PERSON, DAVID... NOT DIFFERENT PERSONS.,...




    He again quotes qura'n to prove jesus is the word of god... THIS IS WHERE HE DID THE BIGGEST MISTAKE LIKE OTHER FELLOWMEN OF CHRISTIANS HAVE DONE.....
    Let me cut copy paste:



    Look at him, he copies "word of god", "spirit of god" but forgets to copy "JUST A MESSENGER",
    Who is he bluffing,
    Then he asks IS Word of God is Bastard Or IS the Spirit Of QURANIC GOD BASTURD,
    I answer him.... NO
    Because it is refering to "JUST A MESSENGER" or "ISA"




    WELL OUR BROTHER ACCEPTED JESUS WAS JUST A PROPHET....


    I shorten my reply by just refuting last claim of his
    About the genealogies....
    He says one of them refers to the lineage of Mary and other to Jesus...
    Well is it true, WAIT AND WATCH....
    1. Everyone thought Jesus was son of Joseph (though he was not), why would his genealogy be in the bible.... TO PROVE WHAT....
    2. "AS WAS SUPPOSED".... Is it the word of GOD.....
    No, it is not.... AS WAS SUPPOSED phrase is not in the HEBREW bible, it is just added by the revisers....
    It is not the word of god....
    Bible is the inspired word of god, did god tell the bible writers to write as was supposed...
    No No NO No no no No nO no No no NO........ NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
    He didn't... God just said he is the son of joseph... He didn't say he is the supposed son of joseph...
    Well ask him who knows better GOD OR YOUSUF SALINI....
    3. He says one of the authors is talking about the lineage of Mary and the other bla bla bla....
    Why is Joseph in both of them.......






    This much should be enough though there are hundreds of them worth mentioning here...
    HE HAS LEFT MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY QUESTIONS UNANSWERED...
    For example...
    1. If Christians claim that the virgin birth of Isaiah 7:14 was fulfilled twice, who then was the first virgin having a baby boy in 732 BC?
    NO ANSWER
    2. If they insist that the word ha'almah can only mea...n virgin, are they claiming that Mary was not the first and only virgin to conceive and give birth to a child?
    NO ANWERE

    3. What does the "butter and honey" refer to?(Isa 7:22)
    NO ANSWER

    4. Why is Jesus, who was sinless from birth in the traditional Christian understanding, described as having to learn to refuse the evil and choose the good?[Isa. 7:15-16]
    NO ANSWER
    5. What age did the baby Jesus mature?
    NO ANSWER

    6. Which were the two kingdoms during Jesus' lifetime that were abandoned?[Isa. 7:16]
    NO ANSWER
    7. Who dreaded the Kingdom of Israel during the first century AD when there had not been a Kingdom of Israel in existence since the seventh century BC?

    NO ANSWER
    8.Jesus' name is Jesus; his name is not Emmanuel
    ANSWERED PARTIALLY


    He committed another VERY VERY VERY VERY big mistake.....
    In his own words (I copy), "Jesus is not God’s Son in the sense of a human father and a son."
    I congratulate him for this also, he contradicted the fact that Jesus is not like any Tom, Dick and Harry, neither is he like any other dog, pig and donkey, who were all created by god... HE IS THE BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD.... Now, i leave upto the reader to decide what it means.....


    He then himself says Islam says that Adam PBUH was CREATED therefore he is double ****, I tell him, Jesus is not like that "CREATED", he is BEGOTTEN....


    Got it chap...
    The Quran is right once again....




    NOW I TELL HIM THE REASON WHY THAT ARTICLE BY SOME ANTHONY IS THERE....


    This was to show him what Bible actually says about the birth of Jesus.....




    Well Well Well


    Your head is under water, watchout.....










    (Personally i feel it worth mentioning that i apologize for calling Jesus a bastard, this was just in response to PYEM'S challenge... I DON'T PERSONALLY CONSIDER HIM SO.. THE BLOG WILL BE REMOVED EVEN IF NO CHRISTIAN HAS THE ANSWERS)





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    3 Response to "[Update on Challenge] A Response to Yousaf Salini"

    1. habeebthaika Said,

      well done bro,...keep the good work,
      whoever is reading PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT
      WE ARE NOT REFERRING
      ISA(A.S)AS JESUS,
      AND MARYAM AS MARY
      _

      Posted on 27 February 2011 at 07:46

       
    2. Shah Saaib Said,

      Thats what is the problem of christians

      Posted on 27 February 2011 at 07:48

       
    3. Anonymous Said,

      Good but the Christians won't answer you and their own Bible says,''In the Bible we read "God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?", Numbers 23:19
      but 83 times Bible uses the word 'Son of Man' for Jesus

      another proof:-Matthew 11:11 "Verily I (Jesus) say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist." Not even Jesus? Jesus (pbuh) was born of a woman.

      Job 25:4: "How then can man be justified with God? or how can he be clean that is born of a woman?" Once again, Jesus (pbuh) was born of a woman.

      Posted on 27 February 2011 at 09:35

       

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